X739 extra SCVs
So I just bought a used X739. I can already see times where I want the 3PH to be on separate hydraulic circuits from the front. For instance, when I get a snow plow for next winter with hydraulic up/down and left/right, I'm out of SCVs, but I'd also like to have a rear blade for back dragging at the same time. Obviously, I want the rear blade and front blade on separate circuits. Similarly, if funds allow, eventually, I would like to have the CTC loader on this tractor. Again, the rear blade, as ballast and dirt leveler, should be usable on the back of the tractor at the same time. So I did some research and saw on mytractorforum where someone had added 3 extra SCVs to their X748.
2012 X748 "H5" Project - MyTractorForum.com - The Friendliest Tractor Forum and Best Place for Tractor Information
I also ran across this thread where someone added a third SCV to an X485.
X485 H-3 conversion - MyTractorForum.com - The Friendliest Tractor Forum and Best Place for Tractor Information
I am not nearly as skilled as the author of that first thread is. Frankly, messing with the linkage for the existing SCV scares me. However, I am mechanically inclined enough to do significant modifications, I just don't think I would be able to get those linkages perfectly lined up.
So that brings me to my idea. Right now, I'm thinking of adding a joystick valve with float on one spool such as this:
Shopping
I am not sure where I would put the valve and the tractor is in storage for right now. I will figure that out later. Ultimately, this would be perfect to plug the loader into leaving the original two SCV spools free for the rear and/or a grapple, dump cart, etc. I am not as concerned about separating the deck lift from the other functions as others seem to be. I envision taking the autoconnect deck off when working with major front implements.
So I had two thoughts on connecting it up. My first and simpler option is to simply take the return line from the existing SCV and connect it to the pressure port on the new valve. Then the return line from the new valve needs to either go directly to the reservoir, or more likely, get connected to the other end of the original return line.
The second option, which I'm not even sure how feasible it is without looking at the tractors SCV is to get the power beyond port for the new valve, run the pressure line going to the existing SCV to the new valve instead, then the power beyond circuit from the new valve into the pressure port on the old valve. then tee the two return lines together and send them down the original return line to the tank. That is a lot of extra fiddling which may or may not be all that easy to do under there.
So does anyone have any thoughts on the benefits of either routing? Or, knowledge about how hard or easy it is to do what I want to do? Or, and alternatives I hadn't thought of?
Thanks for the feedback in advance.
Tom
2012 X748 "H5" Project - MyTractorForum.com - The Friendliest Tractor Forum and Best Place for Tractor Information
I also ran across this thread where someone added a third SCV to an X485.
X485 H-3 conversion - MyTractorForum.com - The Friendliest Tractor Forum and Best Place for Tractor Information
I am not nearly as skilled as the author of that first thread is. Frankly, messing with the linkage for the existing SCV scares me. However, I am mechanically inclined enough to do significant modifications, I just don't think I would be able to get those linkages perfectly lined up.
So that brings me to my idea. Right now, I'm thinking of adding a joystick valve with float on one spool such as this:
Shopping
I am not sure where I would put the valve and the tractor is in storage for right now. I will figure that out later. Ultimately, this would be perfect to plug the loader into leaving the original two SCV spools free for the rear and/or a grapple, dump cart, etc. I am not as concerned about separating the deck lift from the other functions as others seem to be. I envision taking the autoconnect deck off when working with major front implements.
So I had two thoughts on connecting it up. My first and simpler option is to simply take the return line from the existing SCV and connect it to the pressure port on the new valve. Then the return line from the new valve needs to either go directly to the reservoir, or more likely, get connected to the other end of the original return line.
The second option, which I'm not even sure how feasible it is without looking at the tractors SCV is to get the power beyond port for the new valve, run the pressure line going to the existing SCV to the new valve instead, then the power beyond circuit from the new valve into the pressure port on the old valve. then tee the two return lines together and send them down the original return line to the tank. That is a lot of extra fiddling which may or may not be all that easy to do under there.
So does anyone have any thoughts on the benefits of either routing? Or, knowledge about how hard or easy it is to do what I want to do? Or, and alternatives I hadn't thought of?
Thanks for the feedback in advance.
Tom
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Lots of views, but no thoughts at all?
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Actually, only 16 members have viewed this thread. Looks like it will just take a little more time. Sometimes a thread will take a while to get a little traction. Hang in there it has only been a couple of days. :thumbup1gif:
You are out of my field of comfort on this one. Yeah I know, it hasn't stopped me before. Good luck.
You are out of my field of comfort on this one. Yeah I know, it hasn't stopped me before. Good luck.
I was waiting on X748SE to respond, the H5 project you referred to in your post. I've seen his work in his videos he put up on you tube. What he did amazed me. I'm not one to answer what you asked. I'm clueless. You don't live far from his so maybe a PM to him can answer your questions.
I moved this tread to Lawn and Garden Tractors. Maybe it'll get better exposure here rather than Hydraulics.
Tom,
Sorry I've been away!
I'm the one who originally added an additional 3 port SCV to my X748 for an H5 setup. The hydraulics on your machine is pretty much identical to mine.
If you are somewhat mechanically inclined then you should not be scared to make up those linkages. I used a coat hanger(s) as a template for the bend and routing of those linkages. When I made mine it really only took an afternoon to get the rods bent and aligned. To me this was easier then routing the hydraulic hoses!
From reading of what you want to do with your tractor and equipment, if I where you, this is what I would do.
1) Add a cable controlled joystick to control your existing John Deere 2 port SCV for front mounted implements: loader, blade, blower etc. Using a joystick over the column mounted levers is night and day different for front mounted implements. It is just more natural to use. Secondly only the cupholder would be modified/lost.
2) Add a new 2 Port SCV underneath your tractor and make linkages from your column mounted levers back to them. It really isn't as hard as you may think to make up those linkages. I can guide you through the process.
3) Use one of the new SCV ports to control your MMM and 3PH.
4) Use the other new SCV port and TEE it. Have one set of couplers at the rear (for dump trailer) and the other set of couplers somewhere up front so that a grapple (or whatever) could be attached to it. I would doubt it that you would use the rear and front ports at the same time.
Take a look a the enclosed PDF document that I wrote on adding a single port SCV to an X700 series tractor. It is written for my series of tractor but all the hydraulic info should be the same. It shows how to "tap" into the existing hydraulics to add the additional SCV and the basic parts that are needed.
View attachment John Deere X Series H3 Conversion.pdf
From the threads that you have stated above and the enclosed PDF it should be give you a very good idea of the parts and the process required to add some additional hydraulic circuits to your tractor.
Roger
Sorry I've been away!
I'm the one who originally added an additional 3 port SCV to my X748 for an H5 setup. The hydraulics on your machine is pretty much identical to mine.
If you are somewhat mechanically inclined then you should not be scared to make up those linkages. I used a coat hanger(s) as a template for the bend and routing of those linkages. When I made mine it really only took an afternoon to get the rods bent and aligned. To me this was easier then routing the hydraulic hoses!
From reading of what you want to do with your tractor and equipment, if I where you, this is what I would do.
1) Add a cable controlled joystick to control your existing John Deere 2 port SCV for front mounted implements: loader, blade, blower etc. Using a joystick over the column mounted levers is night and day different for front mounted implements. It is just more natural to use. Secondly only the cupholder would be modified/lost.
2) Add a new 2 Port SCV underneath your tractor and make linkages from your column mounted levers back to them. It really isn't as hard as you may think to make up those linkages. I can guide you through the process.
3) Use one of the new SCV ports to control your MMM and 3PH.
4) Use the other new SCV port and TEE it. Have one set of couplers at the rear (for dump trailer) and the other set of couplers somewhere up front so that a grapple (or whatever) could be attached to it. I would doubt it that you would use the rear and front ports at the same time.
Take a look a the enclosed PDF document that I wrote on adding a single port SCV to an X700 series tractor. It is written for my series of tractor but all the hydraulic info should be the same. It shows how to "tap" into the existing hydraulics to add the additional SCV and the basic parts that are needed.
View attachment John Deere X Series H3 Conversion.pdf
From the threads that you have stated above and the enclosed PDF it should be give you a very good idea of the parts and the process required to add some additional hydraulic circuits to your tractor.
Roger
Roger, thanks so much for commenting and the *.pdf. I read through it once. That is clearly not enough times to fully understand it. I will need to read it again and again.
I think the first step to where I want to go is the joystick with cable operated control of the existing SCV. Can you share any details of that portion of the install? What part number or brand of joystick with cable control did you use, or will work with the existing SCV? Who made the JD X7XX SCVs, was it Prince? I have seen a cable joystick for Prince SV or RD5000 valves, but obviously, have no idea what brand / model JD used.
https://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydra...sories/JOYSTICK-CONTROLLER-LEVER-9-6704-J.axd
Thanks again!
Tom
I think the first step to where I want to go is the joystick with cable operated control of the existing SCV. Can you share any details of that portion of the install? What part number or brand of joystick with cable control did you use, or will work with the existing SCV? Who made the JD X7XX SCVs, was it Prince? I have seen a cable joystick for Prince SV or RD5000 valves, but obviously, have no idea what brand / model JD used.
https://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydra...sories/JOYSTICK-CONTROLLER-LEVER-9-6704-J.axd
Thanks again!
Tom
Tom,
First of all I KNOW that you will love using the joystick!
I helped another person who also wanted to put a joystick on his tractor. His thread on what he did can be found here: --> My x595 joystick conversion
Andreas gave some verbiage on what he bought and from where in his first post of the thread and he also has some excellent photos of his installation showing the brackets that he had fabricated. It looks like he used the same joystick or something very similar as the one you have mentioned in the above post.
Have a look at it. It should give you a real good idea of how to connect the remote joystick to the existing JD valve.
Roger
First of all I KNOW that you will love using the joystick!
I helped another person who also wanted to put a joystick on his tractor. His thread on what he did can be found here: --> My x595 joystick conversion
Andreas gave some verbiage on what he bought and from where in his first post of the thread and he also has some excellent photos of his installation showing the brackets that he had fabricated. It looks like he used the same joystick or something very similar as the one you have mentioned in the above post.
Have a look at it. It should give you a real good idea of how to connect the remote joystick to the existing JD valve.
Roger
Roger,
I know this is for the front implement. What can be done for the rear/deck lift to separate it from the front with a M4WD tractor.
I know this is for the front implement. What can be done for the rear/deck lift to separate it from the front with a M4WD tractor.
Tom,
Since the joystick would handle the front implements, you would have both of your column mounted levers still available for other things. It shouldn't matter if you have MFWD or HFWD/AWD.
That's where the second 2 port SCV would have to come in. Using it would separate the MMM/3PH lift cylinder totally from the JD SCV. You would have to make linkages back to it like I mentioned in step 2 of my first reply in this thread. The one column mounted lever would only control the MMM/3PH lift cylinder.
The other column mounted lever could be used for a rear and/or/both front mounted AUX hydraulic port.
I know for my tractor I used the space and lever area normally reserved for MFWD for my 3PH but I also have a 2nd lift cylinder for my MMM. I use one of the column mounted levers for that.
Hope this answers your question. If not fire away.
Roger
Since the joystick would handle the front implements, you would have both of your column mounted levers still available for other things. It shouldn't matter if you have MFWD or HFWD/AWD.
That's where the second 2 port SCV would have to come in. Using it would separate the MMM/3PH lift cylinder totally from the JD SCV. You would have to make linkages back to it like I mentioned in step 2 of my first reply in this thread. The one column mounted lever would only control the MMM/3PH lift cylinder.
The other column mounted lever could be used for a rear and/or/both front mounted AUX hydraulic port.
I know for my tractor I used the space and lever area normally reserved for MFWD for my 3PH but I also have a 2nd lift cylinder for my MMM. I use one of the column mounted levers for that.
Hope this answers your question. If not fire away.
Roger
I get what your saying,I was wondering if there is a way to add a valve and lever and separate the mm lift cylinder.
Thanks for the tips. I am torn now. If I first proceed with the joystick, that is great, but doesn't really add any NEW functionality.
On the other hand, since I have an X739 (post 2013 redesign) with the autoconnect deck, there is no way to know if what fit on your tractor will fit on mine. Although, I have a sneaking suspicion they are eerily similar under there.
Upon reading it again, that additional 3SCV looks crowded in there with the lines and levers. I am not sure I have the patience to make that work. If I tried to add a new 2SCV, that might be easier to route everything. But you know how I would be kicking myself down the road if I wanted to upgrade to a 3SCV, all that money for the 2SCV would be lost.
Would it be possible to install a 3SCV, but, only use 2 of the valves? I imagine I would have to make a loop between the outlets of the unused SCV or something? However, the SCV that I wouldn't hook up is the 4x4 lever one, which is probably the easiest to do. Ugh! decisions, decisions.
Tom
On the other hand, since I have an X739 (post 2013 redesign) with the autoconnect deck, there is no way to know if what fit on your tractor will fit on mine. Although, I have a sneaking suspicion they are eerily similar under there.
Upon reading it again, that additional 3SCV looks crowded in there with the lines and levers. I am not sure I have the patience to make that work. If I tried to add a new 2SCV, that might be easier to route everything. But you know how I would be kicking myself down the road if I wanted to upgrade to a 3SCV, all that money for the 2SCV would be lost.
Would it be possible to install a 3SCV, but, only use 2 of the valves? I imagine I would have to make a loop between the outlets of the unused SCV or something? However, the SCV that I wouldn't hook up is the 4x4 lever one, which is probably the easiest to do. Ugh! decisions, decisions.
Tom
Tom,
There probably is a way to do this with a MFWD tractor. The valve and separate lift cylinder would be the easy part. The hard part would be where to put the lever from the valve.
You might be able get a cable operated lever and place it somewhere.
Check this out: --> SINGLE SPOOL REMOTE CONTROLLER LEVER
You may have to cut a small slot in your fender deck to do this. I don't know if this is something you would want to do.
Roger
There probably is a way to do this with a MFWD tractor. The valve and separate lift cylinder would be the easy part. The hard part would be where to put the lever from the valve.
You might be able get a cable operated lever and place it somewhere.
Check this out: --> SINGLE SPOOL REMOTE CONTROLLER LEVER
You may have to cut a small slot in your fender deck to do this. I don't know if this is something you would want to do.
Roger
Tom,
Yes it is possible to install 3 port SCV and only use 2 of the valves. You would just use "plugs" in the "A" and "B" ports of the valve that you don't want to use.
I am concerned with trying to use a 3 port SCV and an autoconnect deck. You may have routing issues with all the hydraulic hoses of the 3 port SCV. I can't say for sure.
When I installed my 3 port SCV there was a LOT of figuring beforehand (about 8 months worth) in verifying that everything would fit. I must say it was a VERY tight fit just to get the SCV up and in there underneath the tractor. A 2 port SCV would be much easier to install.
Roger
Yes it is possible to install 3 port SCV and only use 2 of the valves. You would just use "plugs" in the "A" and "B" ports of the valve that you don't want to use.
I am concerned with trying to use a 3 port SCV and an autoconnect deck. You may have routing issues with all the hydraulic hoses of the 3 port SCV. I can't say for sure.
When I installed my 3 port SCV there was a LOT of figuring beforehand (about 8 months worth) in verifying that everything would fit. I must say it was a VERY tight fit just to get the SCV up and in there underneath the tractor. A 2 port SCV would be much easier to install.
Roger
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