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I would just like to hear some thoughts or opinions about these two tractors. Is four wheel drive the only difference? My yard is pretty flat, think I would need the four wheel drive? Any other differences? Looking at 60 inch deck also. Any experiences with it? Thanks, guys.
 

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I would just like to hear some thoughts or opinions about these two tractors. Is four wheel drive the only difference? My yard is pretty flat, think I would need the four wheel drive? Any other differences? Looking at 60 inch deck also. Any experiences with it? Thanks, guys.
All Wheel Drive, not technically 4 wd. For this machine, the AWD is far superior in my opinion as its an automatic system. It also doesn't turf the lawn when turning.

The x758 is the All Wheel Drive diesel GT, the flagship of Deere's Lawn and Garden line up. Thex754 is the all wheel steer in the two wheel drive model and the x750 is the two wheel drive diesel GT. My other tractor is a predecessor to the x750 and it has been a great machine.

Hands down, I would buy the x758.....However, if this is strictly for mowing and you have a lot to mow and that is what you are seeking, I would go the commercial zero turn. The difference in the commercial machines and the residential machines is why I stress the commercial machine.

If the goal is to do other small tractor things including mowing without a FEL, then the x758 is as good as they get in my opinion.

I have mowed with a 60" deck for 25 years plus and had no issues. If they are set up correctly and used correctly, no issues. It's handy to have the extra 6" to reach into areas where the smaller deck can't. Plus, who doesn't like having a big deck? I know I do......
 

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I have the x750 and love it! I found mine used on craigslist with 79 hours...paid under $8k for it. Couldn't pass up that deal! I'm not a fan of zero turns.

If I had the $$$ and was buying new, I would have opted for the 4x4 x758. Do I really need a 4x4? Nope. But as Colonel John "Hannibal" Smith once said, "overkill is underrated..." (The A-Team).

The x750 suits my needs. Not having the 4x4 system is just one less thing to worry about / break down / perform service on...(can you hear my convincing myself that a 2 wheel drive tractor is good enough for me... :laugh: )

This is my first diesel, and it's great. Power is outstanding from the Yanmar. Burns less fuel than previous JD gas tractors. I absolutely love the way it sounds and the diesel exhaust smell (wife thinks i'm crazy).

If you have the $$$, and want the 4x4, by all means, get the x758. I do not believe you will be disappointed!
 

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All Wheel Drive, not technically 4 wd. For this machine, the AWD is far superior in my opinion as its an automatic system. It also doesn't turf the lawn when turning.

The x758 is the All Wheel Drive diesel GT, the flagship of Deere's Lawn and Garden line up. Thex754 is the all wheel steer in the two wheel drive model and the x750 is the two wheel drive diesel GT. My other tractor is a predecessor to the x750 and it has been a great machine.

Hands down, I would buy the x758.....However, if this is strictly for mowing and you have a lot to mow and that is what you are seeking, I would go the commercial zero turn. The difference in the commercial machines and the residential machines is why I stress the commercial machine.

If the goal is to do other small tractor things including mowing without a FEL, then the x758 is as good as they get in my opinion.

I have mowed with a 60" deck for 25 years plus and had no issues. If they are set up correctly and used correctly, no issues. It's handy to have the extra 6" to reach into areas where the smaller deck can't. Plus, who doesn't like having a big deck? I know I do......
I have multiple motivations here. I have my 2038 for tractor work, so a 7 series mower would just mostly be a mower. I do need to pull a cart quite a bit, which is why I haven’t thought of a zero turn. I moved to a house with a much larger yard, so the 60 inch deck is attractive. I have try to increase my mowing speed with the 580, but it bogs down. Hoping that going to a Diesel engine and larger deck would speed things up. I even thought about getting the 72 inch deck for the 2038, but I would have to trim a lot of trees and worry about mowing with a soft yard in spring. I really am confused.
 

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The AWD on the x758 will go a long way to preventing any wheel slips in wet locations. You also won't have to add any extra ballast weight to the tractor to get more traction.

As Sulley said the AWD drive system is always there and always working. You never have to think about it and you never really notice it. The tractor just always goes where you want it to and never slips a wheel.

The other major plus to the AWD x758 over the x750 is when you use the drive over deck. With the AWD you simply drive the front wheels over the deck which makes it very easy to see and line up. With the x750, and all the other 2wd x7s, you have to drive the rear tires over the deck to get the deck back on. The dealer who sold me my x738 said he wishes he never bought the x754 because backing over the deck was a PITA.

If the x758 is an option for you to get as a mower I wouldn't even think of considering anything else.
 

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I'd like to second SulleyBear's opinion to look at a zero turn. I've always thought that if I could have two machines it would be a zero turn for mowing and a 2/3 series for everything else.

1. If you want to mow faster - zero turn wins.
2. If you have a lot of trees or want to eliminate or reduce trimming - zero turn wins.
3. You can get a diesel powered zero turn.
4. You can easily pull a cart with a zero turn. (Unless it's loaded REALLY heavy)
5. Zero turns are fun.
If you really want a tractor the X758 would be a fantastic choice. I would never even be able to tell that it was an AWD machine if I didn't know.

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Do you think the 750 or 758 with 60 deck will mower faster than a x580 with 54? Does more torque allow faster ground speed mowing?
 

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All things being equal in terms of grass conditions, the x7's will be faster mowers. I wouldn't expect any real difference in mowing speed between the diesel x7's.

I was mowing baseball fields this spring and I ran my x738 with my foot to the floor in the outfields. With the 54HC deck and full time mulch kit it always left a perfect cut and never left a clump. Obviously in different grass conditions your ground speed is going to vary and you will adjust it to get the cut you are looking for.

The 54HC and 60HC decks for the x7's are similar in looks to the accel decks on the x5's, but the HC decks are almost an inch deeper and are built much heavier.
 

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I mowed for many years with my X585 which in the number scheme of current models equal to the X738 (gas, 4wd, 2ws). Now I ran the 54" deck but never had an issue bogging it down. Going Diesel on a X won't really change much for performance (torque) but will for fuel economy over the gas version. I now mow with a ZTrak and have the X585 around more for light FEL work in warm weather and plowing/snow blowing in the winter.


Sure I went from a 54" deck on the X to a 60" deck on the Z which will speed things up a bit, but that can't explain the roughly 1.5 hrs I shaved off my my mowing session. A big part of those savings come from cutting around trees. With the X it was two passes around every tree. With the Z, one. Even on the wide open areas my cut speed is faster. Nothing to do with torque of the engine, all to do with spindle speed. The blades on a Z spin a lot faster than on a normal deck. Blades spin in a circle so half of the arc is retreating or moving backwards compared to the direction of travel. The faster ground speed, the slower the blade is spinning on that retreat part of the arc. By increasing spindle speed, you are lessening the impact of that reduction in speed on the retreating arc when you are running a higher ground speed.

While my Z will do 12MPH and my X 8MPH, I don't mow with either machine at max ground speed not because of torque, simply because cut quality is reduced at those high ground speeds. That said I will mow with my Z at closer to 8MPH where the X is closer to 5 when mowing. Combine that with less passes around trees, not stupid RIO to slow you down and a Z is a tough machine to beat if all you are doing is mowing.

I will say there is one drawback. The Z950R at least is a thirsty machine to run. There are diesel options out there. I looked at it but when I bought the only one was the Z977R which was something like $10K more than the Z950R.

They do make a hitch for at least the Z9xx machines to pull a cart. You just have to be cautious with it and not do a pivot or you will whip that cart all over the place.
 

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Do you think the 750 or 758 with 60 deck will mower faster than a x580 with 54? Does more torque allow faster ground speed mowing?
Yank,
Apples to apples the X758 will mow quicker than the X580. I'm saying this because I owned a 580 before I bought my X738 and both have/had 48" decks. The first thing I did was mow the front 1/2 acre, which is all hill. I was able to mow much faster and complete the mow in much less time on the X738. It was more stable, turned just as easy, took bigger bites, and most of all I didn't have to baby the machine in the corners just to keep from tearing up the turf. The full time 4wd is fantastic, really fantastic.
 

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I have the x750 and love it! I found mine used on craigslist with 79 hours...paid under $8k for it. Couldn't pass up that deal! I'm not a fan of zero turns.

If I had the $$$ and was buying new, I would have opted for the 4x4 x758. Do I really need a 4x4? Nope. But as Colonel John "Hannibal" Smith once said, "overkill is underrated..." (The A-Team).

The x750 suits my needs. Not having the 4x4 system is just one less thing to worry about / break down / perform service on...(can you hear my convincing myself that a 2 wheel drive tractor is good enough for me... :laugh: )

This is my first diesel, and it's great. Power is outstanding from the Yanmar. Burns less fuel than previous JD gas tractors. I absolutely love the way it sounds and the diesel exhaust smell (wife thinks i'm crazy).

If you have the $$$, and want the 4x4, by all means, get the x758. I do not believe you will be disappointed!

I tend to agree with you.
I have 2 X740s predecessor to the X750 I also have an X750 and a Z997R.

The Zero turn is ok, but it gets stuck a lot and I have not really been loving the way it operates.
I find I still grab one of the X7s for a lot of mowing task, I had intended for the z997R.

I guess I am just still not a big zero turn fan. Since not getting stuck and stability on slopes has become a much bigger priority for me with my newly purchased 12 acre property. I am staring to think I should have bought a X758 over this 997R. I am actually starting to think about trading it in on a X758. The x750 is great if you don't have a lot of need for the extra traction the AWD X758 offers. Actually where I have had the 997R stuck 4 times this month alone, I have never actually stuck one of the X7s and all my X7s have been 2wd with the diff lock . Still based on my new property I think if I do make a change it will be an X758. However the X754 is tempting. I sure wish they had continued to offer the AWD with AWS in a diesel, that model ended with the prior generation X749. If it were still available in the 75? series it would most likely be called an X759. I believe they still have a gas AWD and AWS model, I believe its called an X739.
 

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You are correct the x739 is AWS / AWD. If you can live without the diesel engine you can have the tight turning and awesome traction all day long.

The reason there isn't an x759 is that it would weigh enough to require a ROPS. By law that would require the entire x7 series to have a ROPS.
 

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You are correct the x739 is AWS / AWD. If you can live without the diesel engine you can have the tight turning and awesome traction all day long.

The reason there isn't an x759 is that it would weigh enough to require a ROPS. By law that would require the entire x7 series to have a ROPS.
I was wondering if there wasn't some sort of regulatory reasoning behind it's disappearance from the line up. Was the x749 just under the weight limit where the 759 would have been a little heavier, or did the regulations change?
 

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X750 is great

I have been running my new X750 for 14 months now mowing grass and blowing snow. It is great. It has way more traction than my 425 had. I thought about buying the X758 also but the salesman said the traction was so good on the X750 because of the weight. He was correct. I also recommend the rubber chains . They are very nice and do not damage the driveway like chains do. I did blow snow for a while with no chains and I was surprised how good the traction was.
If I went back I would still buy the X750. A very nice tractor with low fuel consumption.
 

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Either the 750 or the 758 will out mow any 5 series tractor. On a smooth lawn I typically average about 4.5mph (via john deere app) with a 54" deck. Bagging slows it down some, but its still plenty fast.

The HC deck is a big part of why they are faster. Those decks process clippings well even in thick grass.

If your only buying the tractor for mowing, with no other needs such as snowblowing and no slopes or difficult terrain I would recommend the 750 over the 758.

1. A 758 will scuff grass when turned at full lock. Don't tell me they don't because they will. I have 450 hours on mine and I have to be careful how I turn on customer yards.

2. No valves and pumps to run in the front end. Why would you want to rob any power you could put towards the deck?

3. A 750 will have more power to put into a powerflow or a 60" deck because it does not have to power the front axle. Despite what many claim there is a limit to the power provided by the yanmar and it will show with a 60 and a powerflow. 27-28hp would not be a waste on these machines.

Either mower has plenty of weight. My dad has a 750 and I find it to be an excellent mowing machine. If I did not blow snow and till with mine I would have went 2wd.
 

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I’ve had two-wheel drive units, including a pair of X740’s (2 wheel drive, diesel w/60” decks) before purchasing an X758 with a 60” deck. I also have a 3039R with a 72” deck. I mow 5 acres that has hills and banks.

The 60” decks do a great job and, if the grass is dry, they stay clean underneath, too. These decks cut-and-throw the grass, even with Gator blades. Will you be able to mow faster with an X75- with a 60” deck? No doubt, in my opinion. I never lack power when mowing and I mow at 2/3 throttle, at most. I purposely watched this yesterday and I was mowing in open areas at speeds ranging from 3.5 to 5+ MPH, depending on grass height and thickness. I lower ground speed to reduce stress on drive components, not for lack of power. The X750 and X758 have the same engine.

You asked about other differences between an X750 and X758 and only minor ones come to my mind for your consideration:

As Daubs pointed out, fewer pieces, less mechanism with the X750.

The X750 will be slightly more fuel efficient; weighs 90 lbs. less and no HFWD mechanism to constantly power.

Though you don’t have to do this often, maintenance on the transmission/hydraulic system is much easier on an X750; you don’t have the front HFWD oil to drain and fill, which is a bit messy, takes significantly more time to do as both front wheels need to be removed/re-installed and an additional 5+ quarts of oil is required. Two step oil filling, too: front HFWD reservoir is filled until oil comes out of plug openings; then, rear transaxle reservoir is filled.

My outside looking in perspective is this: you’ve stated that your “X” tractor is primarily for mowing. You’ve a 2038R to do the heavy work, so the deck will probably stay mounted most of the time, making mounting ease a minimal concern. Your lawn is “pretty flat” so traction is not an issue, even if you might someday pull a lawn roller. Easier maintenance, lower initial cost, lower operating costs, less compaction points me to an X750. My X740’s, 430, 355D, 332 were more than adequate for my hilly conditions, including pulling carts and a roller.

The X750/X758 w/60” deck is a great machine. Both will have better traction than your X580. Better ride. Higher ground speeds. Reduced mowing time. Fuel consumption should be lower, too.

Two other thoughts. I now have an X758, because I purchased a 60” rotary broom. I need HFWD or MFWD to handle it. Yank, try to look into your crystal ball. Will you someday add an attachment that would require you to need HFWD on your “X” tractor? That’s where I found myself.

Secondly, currently, with a 2038R to do the heavy work and a “pretty flat” lawn, you do not need HFWD; the question you need to answer before making the purchase is HFWD what you want? I believe an important consideration in this purchase is knowing yourself.

Will you be content with an X750? Or, will you only be content with an X758?

Honestly answer the last question and the right model for you is already determined; all other considerations become a moot point!

Enjoy your purchase, Yank! Both are great tractors to power an efficient, sweet deck!


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You are correct the x739 is AWS / AWD. If you can live without the diesel engine you can have the tight turning and awesome traction all day long.

The reason there isn't an x759 is that it would weigh enough to require a ROPS. By law that would require the entire x7 series to have a ROPS.
It’s odd that they would use weight as the deciding factor for ROPS. You’d think they’d use some kind of spec to determine the likelihood of the machine actually tipping over.


To the OP: If your lawn is flat I’d say go with AWS over AWD. The tighter turning radius would be more important to me than traction in your situation. That being said, I’d just get the 72” deck for your 2038. Yeah, you might have to limb up some trees, but that’s probably not a bad thing to do anyway. Maybe I’m just bias because I like the openness and the look of limbed up trees.
 

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You guys have made very good points. I have been torn on the whole decision. I even thought about getting a 72 or 84 inch rear mower for the 2038 and keep the 580 to get what I miss. I think if I go with a 7 series, it will be the 750. Or maybe a zero turn? I just don’t know. I want to speed up my mowing time. I seen how Levi was widening his garden rows this year so he could weed with his tractor. If I kept the 580, I could get the 30 inch tiller to take down the rows. Or a 750 with a 42 inch, or even a small cultivator. This is why a shy away from a zero turn. Afraid I will lose the ability to do these things. I’m starting to think that a rear mower for the 2038 might not be a bad idea.
 

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Absolutely correct. You would loose the ability to do all of those smaller chores using the 580, and that's considerable being that a 580 can till, mow, pull blades and use any sleeve hitch attachment with the integral power hitch.

I almost wish I hadn't traded my X580 in to the dealer last month. :laugh: I traded against an X738 with a small 48" deck, 3pt hitch, and 54" front blade with full hydraulics on the quick hitch. I'm converting my sleeve hitch attachments to work with the 3pt, I have the front end claw, and today I climbed a hill that's almost vertical with no effort at all. I'm beyond happy. :good2:
 

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You guys have made very good points. I have been torn on the whole decision. I even thought about getting a 72 or 84 inch rear mower for the 2038 and keep the 580 to get what I miss. I think if I go with a 7 series, it will be the 750. Or maybe a zero turn? I just don’t know. I want to speed up my mowing time. I seen how Levi was widening his garden rows this year so he could weed with his tractor. If I kept the 580, I could get the 30 inch tiller to take down the rows. Or a 750 with a 42 inch, or even a small cultivator. This is why a shy away from a zero turn. Afraid I will lose the ability to do these things. I’m starting to think that a rear mower for the 2038 might not be a bad idea.
If you want to speed up your mowing and that's all this unit will be used for then seriously consider the zero-turn. I borrowed a Z935 from my dealer to try on my lawn last year. My 7 acres normally take 4.5 hours with my x758/60". The Z935 allowed me to finish the same mowing in almost an hour less. I think it was the turning, not the general ground speed, that made the difference. My lawn is bumpy and I didn't feel like I could mow faster with the zero-turn than my x758. On smooth ground you might be able to get faster ground speed too.

Obviously if you need to do other things then a zero-turn is not the right tool.

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