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So recently I went and bought a new Ferris IS3200Z commercial zero turn mower. It's their top-of-the-line machine with full suspension on all wheels. I'll be comparing it to the John Deere Z915B mower (which was replaced/renamed the Z915E) which I've owned and used for 3 years.

So to be fair, I must state the obvious here. This comparison is between Ferris's top-of-the-line commercial mower to John Deere's entry level commercial mower. There will be some obvious major differences and a few not so crazy. Some may be shocking to you.

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The JD Z915B is a Kohler 25hp with a 60" commercial 7 Iron II deck, optional rear weight bumper, Oregon G6 mower blades, and an aftermarket Puffer air-ride seat. Other than that, it was box stock. It was maintained as per the manuals with JD fluids. Really good machine. I'd consider this machine one of the best buys you can make at your John Deere dealer. It's a lot of machine for the money.

The Ferris IS3200Z I purchased is powered by a Vanguard 37hp EFI engine with dry sump oiling system. It has a 61" ICD mowing deck and full suspension on all wheels. The front wheels are independent while the rear is like a live axle. The mower is suspended from the suspension so it stays level with the ground.

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The Ferris has a much larger footprint due to the wider stance, larger tires front and rear, and wider track front and rear. They are about the same width with the Ferris being slightly wider due to the 1" bigger deck. This stance has a noticeable difference on the edge of the deck to the tire width clearance. This coupled with the offset front caster on the Deere, it has much better trimming capabilities. The Ferris is a tad more challenging trimming with left side of the deck and just doesn't have the "reach" the Deere has.

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The engines are complete different animals. The Deere has the 25hp Kohler. It's a pretty darn good engine. It has adequate power for the machine, it runs very reliably, and is very easy to service. This engine has proven to be pretty good. The only complaint I have is it tends to smoke only on startup once in a while. This is a known characteristic of these engines. Not a big deal as it clears out pretty quickly. It does use some oil, but in my opinion not outside of normal ranges of any air cooled engines used in this application. The Vanguard engine on the Ferris is an absolute animal. It's 37hp with fuel injection for immediate starts, insane amounts of power, and ready to work almost immediately. The dry sump oiling system is unlike any other machine out on the market right now. This has an external 5 quart oil reservoir that not only supplies the engine with de-aerated oil at any operational angle, but also holds the tool-less oil drain and filter for easy servicing. It's supposed to go 500 hours before oil changes! That's completely unheard of in the air-cooled engine world.

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So the cut quality is different between these machines as well. I have the Deere tuned in to the yard here with Oregon Gator G6 blades. They work very well here providing a darn good cut. The deck does have a tendency to have buildup that needs to be removed if the grass is mowed damp or wet. It will also start to cut lousy is the blades get overly dull (duh) or the buildup gets excessive cutting off grass flow and proper airflow.

The Ferris isn't quite tuned in yet. While the level of the grass being cut is much more level, it tends to leave some clumping. But there are some factors that shouldn't be overlooked yet. It's early spring here with very damp cutting conditions and I'm not using the Gator blades yet. I also don't have the deflector setup for "always up" but ready to drop for certain areas I cut. The deflector really shortens the distance the grass is discharged between both mowers. I had it up on the Deere with a bungee until I needed it down. Removing the deflector isn't an option for me as I don't want to discharge grass into mulched flower beds, driveways, sidewalks, and the neighbors pool. I also added the striping kit to the Ferris. It's affecting the quality of the mow as well. The jury is still out on whether or not it'll stay on. More on this later.

Now for the elephant in the room, the ride. OMG, the Ferris wins hands down. Once I dialed in the shocks for my yard and my weight, this thing is very very impressive. I can mow full tilt at 12 MPH across my horse pasture of a yard with zero issues. When I'm done, I can still walk! :lol: This was the major decision factor for me. The Deere rides as good as a solid 4 wheeled machine can with lower air pressure and an air ride seat, but it's still a bucking bronco requiring you either to slow way down or get beat up. You control the beating with how far you push the sticks. That being said, I was never disappointed with the Deere or unhappy with it. It owes me nothing. Very good machine. I just wish Deere had a machine with real suspension, not the gimmicky seat bit. The factory seats on both machines are very good, nice and comfortable with no hot spots or lack of support. Neither came with suspension from the factory, but both are available with optional suspension seats.

The Ferris feels like a bigger machine because of its stance. It does hold hills way better than the narrower Deere. In fact it got stuck a few times in places the Deere would have no hope of getting out. Both times I stuck the Ferris in the ditch, it climbed out on it's own. That's right. I was able to get the Ferris out because the wheels moved as they needed because of the suspension. Both drive tires stayed on the ground and I was able to get it out without assistance from the 2720. I went into places I wouldn't go wit the Deere because of the stability. The Ferris also feels heavier. Not sure if it is or not, but it sure feels like it.

The hydraulics on the Deere are considerably smoother than the Ferris. Very easy to control and do minuscule adjustments and trimming. The Ferris is good, just not as smooth. Combine that with the width and the larger tires and it's more susceptible to running into objects as you trim. This could be a difference to fluids, manufacturers, setup, heck even break-in. Could be the Deere will always be smoother and therefore more superior in the controls department. Overall operation on both machines is very easy and straightforward.

So the Z915B is much better in trimming and currently the winner in overall cut quality. The Ferris IS3200Z wins the race with speed and comfort. Maybe I'll get the cut quality the same as the Deere with some more tuning and the Gator blades. Time will tell. Overall I'm very pleased with my new mower, just as I was with the Z915B. :thumbup1gif:
 

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Thanks Jason!

Great detailed review - you touched on all the important aspects.

The ride sounds very promising. I hope the sticks smooth out - could very well be a breaking in issue of both the fluid and valving.

What does the Ferris use for hydraulic fluid? Does it have active hydro cooling? When I had my Deere 757 I was surprised to see it used 30w motor oil and did not have a cooler.
 

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It has two cooling fans driven by the input sheaves on the transaxles, same as the 915. As for fluid, I’m not sure yet. I should check in that and make sure I have some on the shelf. The engine uses automotive full synthetic oil. The oil tank holds 5 quarts, so I doubt I’ll ever have add any in between services.
 

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Thanks Jason. Excellent review. I almost bought that exact machine, same engine, oil reservoir, deck size, everything. I still might. My dealer still has two left in stock with an excellent cash discount. You're not the first that I've heard from about clumping issues. However, I feel that is a problem that should be able to be solved.

I hadn't thought about the trimming close to objects concern. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much worse is it than the JD in this category?

I, too, am seriously considering it because of my bumpy yard. I have ranked comfort as my #1 priority, cut quality #2. Honestly, hadn't thought about trimming close, but that's given me a bit of hesitation.

Very glad to hear positive news about the ride quality and suspension. I can tell you that when I first sat on one of those machines, it was instantly the most comfortable operator station I'd ever sat in. It does feel like you are higher up and the machine has a much bigger overall feel than even high end JD machines like the 997 or z950r.

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Trimming with the left side still can be done, it’s just not as convenient as the Deere was. It hard to say how much worse since these are really the only two machines I’ve used. The Deere is better than the Ferris at trimming, but not enough to influence the overall usability. I had thought the rear tube bumper would have caught stuff as I turn, fences, siding, etc just like the Deere can swing out and get, but it turns out that’s a non-issue as well. The tires being so wide kinda prevent the rear from swinging into anything.

I have some Gator G6 blades I’m going to install. They took the Deere from cutting very well to excellent. Maybe they’ll eliminate the clumping that was somewhat prevalent on the Deere as well. Those blades have worked very well on my property so my bet is it’ll all but disappear.

I will say this, the ride is absolutely phenomenal. Even if the clumping issue isn’t resolved 100%, I’m still smiling because I can walk after I’m done mowing. :lol:
 

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Congrsts Jason!!! I been running a 3100 and 5100 for couple years now.

Hydro fluid on the Ferris machines is 10w30 motor oil... What burns me is they started using black tanks for the oil.. You have a spot on the tank that is your full mark.. Now how in the hell are you supposed to see the stinkin level with a BLACK tank??? They used to be white which you could see the level. :banghead:
 

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Looks like they went back to opaque white. :thumbup1gif:

 

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Ha!! Yea, after doing some service on mine today I forgot my 3100 is still white. My 5100 is black.

You made a comment about control and having all four tires on the ground. Thats one of the first things I fell in love with on the Ferris. You can drive down in a ditch and usually always have full control, vs having three. On a conventional z turn you will carry one front then when the weight balance takes over you have the upper rear get light, the tire that you need to control speed and steering. Now your along for the ride till you get to the bottom and you can retake control of the machine.

I have my front shocks set full light and rears one from light on my 3100. I would like a suspension seat on it but cant justify it on that machine for what I use it for. Your 3200 has the 26x12 rear tires which would be better for ride vs the 3100's 23 x 10.5.

On my 5100 I have the shocks set higher due to the machine weight. Never put a suspension seat on it cause it rode so smooth.. Last year I had to replace both front tires due to wore out and replace them with solid run flat tires. BIG mistake. Talk about a rough ride. Im going back to a air filled fronts but ones with the gel in them so they are still run flats but with air in them. They feel like they will ride good.

Jason, I wiil take a couple pics of the rope I have for the deflector shields to tie them up. I mow lawns all summer, and I have NEVER removed a deflector shield on any of my machines. Also, you said yours dont throw out far with it down, on both of mine they throw the grass just as far as with shield up. Sometimes further.
 

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Before buying my Z950R I was on a different forum that focuses on commercial lawn care just to learn about Zero Turns and options out there.

I have to say your review is pretty much right in line with what I expected. It mirrors pretty much everything I read before hand. The Ferris is a comfortable machine. If you are the guy making the decisions on what to buy and spending all the time in the saddle, go Ferris. The other common comment was the John Deere 7 Iron Deck is a beast and a tough deck to beat. The only complaint being that it uses smaller spindles than most in the same class. I want to say 7/8" were others are 1" or larger. I guess the bigger ones offer better life. Though there are a lot of clumping complaints if you went with the John Deere MOD (Mulch on Demand) Deck.

One thing I was shocked by was as I started to read the review, I saw you went from a 25HP running the 60" to a 37HP running a 61" deck. I was expecting to see a much larger deck with that much engine. Is there a reason for that? Maybe a case of a good deal or something. The Z970R which is a 35HP is the closest machine, while you can get it with a 60" I would imagine the 72" is more common on that machine. I have a Z950R which mine has the standard 60 deck but I could have ordered it with the larger 72". It will run it. In my case I wanted the 60" with the larger 27.5HP engine over say a Z930R because I am running the MCS. Have you run it enough to do a fuel consumption test? I am pretty sure the machines hold about the same amount of fuel so it will be interesting to see if the new one with 12 more HP is a lot more thirsty. EFI should help but I don't think it can save that much fuel.

I know you were talking about your deflector. Have you ever considered a door? These are a couple options out there that they talk about a lot on that other forum.

Grass Flap, manual foot operated.
https://grassflap.myshopify.com/

Power Chute, electrically controlled.
Power Chute Design

I don't have either, but they are pretty popular with a lot of the commercial mowers for keeping grass out of mulch beds and off sidewalks, driveways and pools. For my mulch beds I just control how I cut them. I work my way up to them then the last two passes are the one next to the bed then the next deck width past that both going the same way, discharging away. This way my closest pass discharging toward them is 10-15' away discharging into tall uncut grass which catches the clippings, then it is two passes the other way discharging away from the beds.
 

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Thanks Jason!

Great detailed review - you touched on all the important aspects.

The ride sounds very promising. I hope the sticks smooth out - could very well be a breaking in issue of both the fluid and valving.

What does the Ferris use for hydraulic fluid? Does it have active hydro cooling? When I had my Deere 757 I was surprised to see it used 30w motor oil and did not have a cooler.
It has two cooling fans driven by the input sheaves on the transaxles, same as the 915. As for fluid, I’m not sure yet. I should check in that and make sure I have some on the shelf. The engine uses automotive full synthetic oil. The oil tank holds 5 quarts, so I doubt I’ll ever have add any in between services.
My Z950R is the same way. Each trans-axle has a cooling fan. As for fluid. I forget what it takes. Hy-Gard for sure but the X and Z take a different type. One is the low viscosity and the other normal or whatever they call the other type that they sell. I know I bought a gallon jug to keep on hand. Haven't needed it but I wrote on each jug with a Sharpie so I know which fluid goes with which machine.

With the Z9xx there is a difference in transaxles. The B/E/M all have the same one. Then there is the type used on the R machines. The main difference is that the R has cross porting. So the fluid can move between the two transaxles. This is to help with cooling I guess. If running in the hills you can heat up one transaxle more than the other. I guess maybe if you are crabbing a bit down some really long ditch lines. With this you will get better life on the transaxles. I was wondering if the cross porting could be retrofitted to a B/E/M if it is just fluid lines. I don't know enough about the differences to say it is or isn't an option. I will say that the R also has a higher ground speed. The B/E/M is 10MPH and the R 12MPH. So I would imagine there is a little more to the differences than just some hoses or hard lines.
 

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I know you were talking about your deflector. Have you ever considered a door? These are a couple options out there that they talk about a lot on that other forum.

Grass Flap, manual foot operated.
https://grassflap.myshopify.com/

Power Chute, electrically controlled.
Power Chute Design

I don't have either, but they are pretty popular with a lot of the commercial mowers for keeping grass out of mulch beds and off sidewalks, driveways and pools. For my mulch beds I just control how I cut them. I work my way up to them then the last two passes are the one next to the bed then the next deck width past that both going the same way, discharging away. This way my closest pass discharging toward them is 10-15' away discharging into tall uncut grass which catches the clippings, then it is two passes the other way discharging away from the beds.
http://www.greentractortalk.com/forums/ztrs-commercial-turf-equipment/84593-z915b-discharge-chute-cover.html#post1269537
 
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So far fuel consumption has been pretty spot-on with the Z915B actually. About 1-1.5 gallons per hour. My mowing time is less but it burns slightly more I’d say, but in the end it’s about the same. It’s not a fuel hog by any means.

BTW, I got the 37hp engine cause I could. :thumbup1gif: Could I have gotten the 72”? You darn tootin’ I could, but that would’ve meant that I would’ve had to modify a gate, probably more prone to scalping, and I would’ve had to store an extra foot of machine. 37hp to 61” of deck is a really nice ratio. :lol:
 

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So far fuel consumption has been pretty spot-on with the Z915B actually. About 1-1.5 gallons per hour. My mowing time is less but it burns slightly more I’d say, but in the end it’s about the same. It’s not a fuel hog by any means.

BTW, I got the 37hp engine cause I could. :thumbup1gif: Could I have gotten the 72”? You darn tootin’ I could, but that would’ve meant that I would’ve had to modify a gate, probably more prone to scalping, and I would’ve had to store an extra foot of machine. 37hp to 61” of deck is a really nice ratio. :lol:
IMO, I think the 25hp was too small on the Z915B with a 60" deck. I think you did the right thing.
 

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The Z915B with a 25hp engine and a 60” deck is a solid performing machine. It has plenty of power for most situations. You only needed some more grunt when it was mowing thick grass at higher grounds speeds while tryout by to climb a hill. Only then did you need to slow down a bit to not overwhelm the engine. It’s a great mower. Definitely better than the black spotted 54” NY models. :mocking:
 

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Okay, so earlier I was shooting the bull with my neighbor who just bought a Ferris 3200 w/72" deck, I think 3200 is correct. Anyway, he says take it for a spin, man alive, when you fire up the deck it sucks the whole machine a couple of inches down :lol: I am a true believer now, and am currently on a new quest to save up and get one of them. Wide open on his not so smooth and level yard was unbelievable how smooth it was, I am jealous of you Jason, and that's an understatement. :good2:
 

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Okay, so earlier I was shooting the bull with my neighbor who just bought a Ferris 3200 w/72" deck, I think 3200 is correct. Anyway, he says take it for a spin, man alive, when you fire up the deck it sucks the whole machine a couple of inches down I am a true believer now, and am currently on a new quest to save up and get one of them. Wide open on his not so smooth and level yard was unbelievable how smooth it was, I am jealous of you Jason, and that's an understatement. :good2:
I just purchased the is700z w/ 61" ICD deck, for $5950 it's a sweet mower. The place I bought from had free shipping, tax free since they were out of state and offered well for my trade-in, 4 years 0% interest. It's a great ride, the 27hp engine is more than enough power for the 61" deck. I cut about 30+ minutes off my mowing time, use half the fuel I normally would have and the suspension saves me from being beat to death.

The is700z is not a full independent suspension like the 2100 & 3200 model, the front is on a pivot with springs on each side. The rear I believe the same as the 2200/3200 I just couldn't see spending an extra 3+ grand for a larger engine and true front suspension with the same mower deck.

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Congratulations on your new purchase. 37 Horsepower with a 61" deck......You da Man.......:yahoo::thumbup1gif::good2:

I am interested in hearing your expanded comments and thoughts about the striping kit on your machine and your concerns about it's performance, etc. Are there something you would either do differently with the striper kit, or is it not mounted to your liking? What would you change and why?

I have found on my zero turn, depending upon how it's adjusted, the striper wheel kit can actually "launch" the mower to some degree when using it on really rough terrain.

Thanks in advance for your comments...........................
 

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The striping kit on the Ferris is nothing more than a heavy piece of rubber bolted along the back side of the mower deck acting like a flap.

Notice the lack of buildup. The Deere would have a whole lot more, but I was also using Gator G6 blades.





Also notice that the cutting edge of the mower blades are exposed below the front edge of the mower.



So today I’m installing the G6s again. They are my go-to blade since they work so well here. They do tend to have more buildup than the stock blades in my experience. But the lack of windrows and clumps more than makes up for it. Here’s some comparison pics.









The striping kit tends to act like a rake when crossing gravel, especially where it’s piled or ridged up a little from ruts etc. This causes the mower to suck it up. Most of this is mitigated by changed the way I operate the mower and where and how I travel. Sometimes it’s as simple as lifting the deck with your foot pedal as you cross something. Just don’t press too far as it automatically locks in the full up transport position. Then you mow along until you realize the grass seems a little long for just have been mowed. :lol:

So we’ll see if the G6s fixes the minor clumping issue. If not, the next step is to remove the striping kit. I’m sure it has a lot to do and effects the airflow under this machine. :good2:
 

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Dealer told me they would put the stripe kit on but everyone takes them off. I told them to keep it.

Let me know how the g6 blades do.

Also, just ordered in a light kit for my mower from a dealer in KY $93, free shipping and 0 tax. I generally start mowing around 9PM but that's impossible without lights.


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The striping kit on the Ferris is nothing more than a heavy piece of rubber bolted along the back side of the mower deck acting like a flap.

Notice the lack of buildup. The Deere would have a whole lot more, but I was also using Gator G6 blades.

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So today I’m installing the G6s again. They are my go-to blade since they work so well here. They do tend to have more buildup than the stock blades in my experience. But the lack of windrows and clumps more than makes up for it. Here’s some comparison pics.



The striping kit tends to act like a rake when crossing gravel, especially where it’s piled or ridged up a little from ruts etc. This causes the mower to suck it up. Most of this is mitigated by changed the way I operate the mower and where and how I travel. Sometimes it’s as simple as lifting the deck with your foot pedal as you cross something. Just don’t press too far as it automatically locks in the full up transport position. Then you mow along until you realize the grass seems a little long for just have been mowed. :lol:

So we’ll see if the G6s fixes the minor clumping issue. If not, the next step is to remove the striping kit. I’m sure it has a lot to do and effects the airflow under this machine. :good2:
I'm curious to see what you think, one of my drivers cuts lawns in the summer with the same machine w/72" deck and he didn't have any luck with the Gator blades. Said he has used them on every mower he's cut with but for whatever reason all it did was create huge clumps with the Ferris.
 
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