No, there are no sensors to "upset." But you will find the tractor will vibrate and the hydraulic pump will whine more than normal. These tractors have a harmonic vibration that's excited by lower engine rpms. It will get noticeably worse if you lower the idle speed. Trust me, I've done it. While I agree, it does seem high, it's for the better health and longevity of your tractor if you keep it in spec. IIRC it's 1575 rpm for the 1 series.

 

Many threads on this:
http://www.greentractortalk.com/for...alk.com/forums/sub-compact-utility-tractors-scut/2132-low-idle-speed-1026r.html

http://www.greentractortalk.com/forums/sub-compact-utility-tractors-scut/16427-1026r-idle-speed.html

http://www.greentractortalk.com/forums/sub-compact-utility-tractors-scut/13243-1023e-idle-speed.html

 

Yep, what they say. If anything, I would increase mine. The 2305 is idling at around 1200 rpm. Lots of vibration. I always bring it up at 1500 rpm for a smoother idling.

 

Too high compared to what? Manufacturers recommendations? New owner assumptions?

If you want your tractor to remain under warranty and have a full life I recommend you NOT follow Bill's lead. I enjoy watching his videos and he seems like a nice guy but he's not one to get bogged down with details listed in the manual.

 

I don't think Bills tractors are really Bill's tractors. Think they belong to the cemetery he works for.

 

I think he owns the cemetery... I just didn't think it would hurt to come down to 1300, but if it's not recommended I'll let it be.

 

I would stick with what the manual lists for idle speed.

Bill does not own the cemetery, he is the caretaker. I believe his father (or father in-law) was the previous caretaker.

 

2032R is a completely different machine than the 1 series. You can't use specs from one and compare (or adjust to) another. My 2720 idles much slower and smoother than my 1026R did, but it's bigger, heavier, and doesn't have the same drivetrain. It's not a fair comparison IMHO.

 

Ok guys, thanks for all the input!!! It's greatly appreciated!!!

 

Idling is the worst speed for diesels in any case, Its why they recommend big trucks get put on hi idle or shut off, or they will just off themselves.

 

You would be amazed at how much smoother the 1026/25r idles if you got the 260BH! :kidw_truck_smiley:


Mr. Moose

 

If you then add a nice Sims cab, it becomes difficult to tell she is even running!
:lol:

 

Its the tier 4 engines effecting the rpm. 1 series idle at around 1500 rpm

 

Here is what I did on my 1026R
The Whole throttle "range" is controlled by the linkage, there is threaded rod and a jam nut down near the engine, I brought mine down to 1,300 and it still can go to 3,200, but that is its max, which is fine. Next, I added a Engine Block heater, and I use it with a timer, or a remote control switch from inside my house. There is just NO way I am starting this engine to go plow at temp of less than 10 degrees COLD start.( I know it has a small "air heater") Cold starts to middle RPM are VERY hard on any engine. If any of you fly planes you'll know about preheaters. To bring a diesel that's sat a few days in the cold, and very cold, from say Zero degrees oF to 1500 rpms in 3 seconds is NOT a good thing. Its no wonder John Deere puts a 2,000 hour life on this engine but the gensets with same engine in the Coast Guard , In the Arctic, and Antarctic get 7-8,000 hours of use.
Couple weeks ago, and there's many more like it.. TOO cold for a 1026R ! at 1500 rpm, Even with a little hot air "
The 2025 speeds rated a bit lower, but I will duplicate the same with my new 2025

 

Here is what I did on my 1026R
The Whole throttle "range" is controlled by the linkage, there is threaded rod and a jam nut down near the engine, I brought mine down to 1,300 and it still can go to 3,200, but that is its max, which is fine. Next, I added a Engine Block heater, and I use it with a timer, or a remote control switch from inside my house. There is just NO way I am starting this engine to go plow at temp of less than 10 degrees COLD start.( I know it has a small "air heater") Cold starts to middle RPM are VERY hard on any engine. If any of you fly planes you'll know about preheaters. To bring a diesel that's sat a few days in the cold, and very cold, from say Zero degrees oF to 1500 rpms in 3 seconds is NOT a good thing. Its no wonder John Deere puts a 2,000 hour life on this engine but the gensets with same engine in the Coast Guard , In the Arctic, and Antarctic get 7-8,000 hours of use.
Couple weeks ago, and there's many more like it.. TOO cold for a 1026R ! at 1500 rpm, Even with a little hot air "
The 2025 speeds rated a bit lower, but I will duplicate the same with my new 2025

A little advocation for the Devil here...

A. Where is the intake air heater located in the 1026r? I want to check that mine is working.

B. I'm not so sure one can compare "tractor use" to "Arctic Coast Guard use" or any non-tractor applications. It's probably not a straight crossover in spec'ing, setups or usage. Constant RPM use as in generators, pumps, etc. is a far easier usage than the work a tractor engine is subject to, i.e. short runs, sitting long periods, etc.

So with some experimentation behind, mine stays and starts at the factory setting of 1575rpm. On a cold start I fire it up @ idle, let it run for about 1 min. and then move up to the smoother warm up speed of 1850rpm (indicated on my tach). I usually raise the blade and BB and move slowly outside the shop to warm up for 5min. for the hydro oil to move around. I never run it up to 2500rpm plowing speed before 10 minutes. This is more for the hydro oil than the engine, the engine has already come off the low temp stop, but the steering can still be a bit "heavy" even after engine warm up...

It would be interesting to compare maintenance record results and a teardown @ 2000 hours! I sure hope we're all still running 'em at that time!!!:bigthumb:

 

I really like my 1025, drive over deck, and loader but would not buy it again if idle couldn't be lowered. I have farmed all my life and have many diesels of all sizes since late 50s from 60 to 500 hours but never had one that idled more than 100 to1200. Competing brands are all slower.

 

Hi jglaurie
The reason for the high idle is to keep enough flow in the hydraulic system. Also diesels of the 50 had large capacities but small horse power.
What is the actual problem with the high Idle RPM?
Regards John.

 

Not hardly. Idle speed is so high due to harmonics causing shaking in the small 3 cylinder. Nothing to do with hydraulics. Turn one down to 1000 RPM and see what you get.

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Here's a plug for noise-cancelling headphones. They make a huge difference to me, coupled with removing my hearing aids. The 1025R purrs like a kitten, or an EV to me.

 

The 1025R's "idle" speed is obnoxiously high. The 4010's was 1,000. It was 1,300 on the 2025R, not too bad, and smooth. The 1025R is rough. Think it would get rougher if idle speed is dropped.

Tried dropping it. The mechanism to do this is very complicated.

One of the niceties of the B2601: back to close to 1,000 idle speed, and reasonably smooth. Hydraulics are still strong on it at idle. Had 3 times the hydraulic pumping of the 2025R.

 

I dropped mine about 100 rpms on my 1026R. Compared to my 2305 I thought it was way to high too. Usually when I cold start it, the idle speed is a little higher and once it warms up it drops down to about 1500. No issue with hydraulics. IT revs well past 3,200 rpms too.

 

I called 5 minutes after delivery regarding idle speed. Service Manager told me Deer research said to many hobby farmers with little if any tractor experience, new to diesel, are overly cautious in their get aquainted learning curve. Meaning - they worked the machine at low rpm which increased the stress on the entire machine. To alleviate low rpm load stress, they boosted idol speed. That's the Dealers official response, right or wrong I have no idea, but I can rationalize the response.

 

It's demonstrated here with not uncommon posts of using the 1 series tractors at idle for many activities. Not saying it's wrong operating at the factory idle, just not how I do it with my 1R.