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So, now that I get to sit and think about this again, as it was deleted by the little one (he loves to get his hands on anything), Ill make it a bit shorter!

We recently moved, and have 5.5 acres to maintain/improve.
Heavily wooded lot with about 1/2 acre lawn and 400' gravel drive.
Ill be clearing some to make the lawn about 1-1.5 acres. Most trees Ill be clearing will be 12" diameter or less.
I will NOT be mowing with it.
Area is mostly flat, but the woods likes to hide roots, old stumps and the like.

Ive compared several models/makes, and have a spreadsheet I made comparing about 15-20 different specs like weight, height, width, loader capacity, loader max height, backhoe power, etc.

I need something that can get through the woods ok, which means its got to be somewhat narrow. 2 series from Deere at the biggest I think.
Right now Im borrowing a 955. Its about as big as Id want. No backhoe on it though, and the bucket is annoyingly short (depth wise), just about 6" more would be great. I think theres a joke in there somewhere....

Anyway, Ive looked at the 1025R TLB, and its seems that it would work fine for future stuff after the clearing work is done, as its hoe is great for digging trenches, drainage, etc. Not sure how it would handle the stumps. Dont care much if it will take longer, as Ive got the time, we arent going anywhere any time soon, but if I can get something bigger, for not much more, that will work faster, all the better.
In the SCUT, the 1025R seems to be the one to beat.
In the next size up, it gets a bit cloudier.
I love Deere. I generally bleed green. But I also dont want to put money into just having the right color either.
The 2025R compares favorably to the Kubota B2301, but things go downhill after that. The B2601 has more capacity on the loader and hoe.
The Kioti CK2510 HST and CK2610 HST both best the Deere and Kubota.
Now, Ive not looked at too many others as these are the "local" dealers to me.
Every other dealer is an hour or better away.
Plus, Orange is actually my favorite color for things Deere doesnt make, so that makes it easier to own that color tractor....lol.

Any thoughts on all that?

My thought on the 1025R and similar sized tractors is that they look too small. I know they work hard, but I wonder about stability. I generally run the 955 through the woods with the bucket up to clear crap near ground level, and wonder how the little ones would take to being rocked back and forth by an unseen stump or root. Gets iffy on the 955 sometimes.
Plus, the others have higher dump heights too, which would be nice.

Not too interested in too much with the PTO I guess, as at best Id run a tiller or bush hog, and then sparingly. We will have a decent sized garden, but even then, tilling twice a year isnt much, and its not breaking new ground either.
This would be mostly for loader work and backhoe work, and pulling a box blade or the like.
 
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Thanks for the responses guys!

Like I said, Im just getting started in my search.
I know the Deere dealer near me, and they are ok, nothing to write home about, but then again, Ive never bought anything this big from them either.
The only hesitation I have about them is that they are mostly a mower dealer, in that their big business is Exmark and Deere LTs and GTs. They dont do too much with anything bigger, though they do have a few on hand.
They know me by name though, so theres that.
No experience with the other dealers good or bad.
That said, there are two other Deere dealers within 15 miles, and a massive one due South about 25 miles away. That last one is just about guaranteed to have what I want in stock, but Ive never dealt with them, and they have only been there for a couple years. The company though has been around for quite a while, they just expanded to that area. They do deal much more in the big stuff, combines included, so I think Id trust them a bit more with knowledge, but then again, having your dealer know you by name is nice....who knows. Still lots to do before I get to that point.

As to size, and as it relates to the 955, power wise yes, the 3 series would be more comparable. Everything else, physical size, loader capacity, etc, the 2032 is a better match. Similar weight, more capacity with loader, longer wheelbase, similar width, etc. And size is what cant get any bigger. The 955 has a rough time in some places Ive had to get it, and Ive not done much with it at all with regard to what Ill need to with whatever I get.

I guess for now Ill cross off the little ones and focus on the 2 series size range or bigger.
Going to hopefully get to a dealer or two Saturday.

I know a few things already without looking, and that is that I prefer the side by side forward reverse pedal configuration Deere uses. Not too many others do that, and some have it on some models and not others. That rocker thing Kubota uses would drive me nuts I think....but as someone (more than one) said, I need to go sit on them and see for myself.
 
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Oh, and TreeFarmer, dont I know it.
What I wouldnt give to have the use of the old Kobelco excavator I used to use when we did demolition. Either that or the Deere 855B dozer we had too. Man, that thing was a monster.
Of course its been so long since I did any of that work, Id probably do more damage to everything but the stumps at this point, lol.
But it sure would be easy to clear with the 855B...just point and go!
 
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Discussion starter · #20 ·
for such small trees i use a double bit axe or the trusty D guess everybody wants a new toy these days:greentractorride:
If they are under 6", thats easy. But then again, most people see those little diameter trees in their yard, not in the woods where they are 40' tall and 12" in diameter, with a root system to support it. I dont just want it level with the ground, I want the whole thing out.
To each his own, but if you really want to tackle 50-75 of those with an axe, you are welcome any time!
Then again, as I said above, thats not all the work it will be doing...kinda hard to dig drainage with a double bit axe :lol:

I mean, heck, by that logic, why does anyone get a loader? A wheelbarrow and shovel work just as good, and dont cost nearly what a tractor does.
Could be that time is money, and sometimes time is better spent doing other things.
 
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What part of Indiana are you in? Muttons is a huge dealer with two locations in Fort Wayne.
North Central. About an hour and a half from them.
Ive seen their ads for years, didnt know there was anything special about them.

Ive realized through all this that I am pretty darn partial to Green, so I stopped by the local dealer to look at what they had and talk to someone about them.
Seems like they like to let you just stand around and wait. And wait. And wait. And wait.
I went in, looked at a couple tractors, then over to their media wall to find a brochure, stood around there for a bit, then back to the tractors, walked around them for a while, went just outside and looked at a few out there, then back inside to look over those again.
The whole time, one guy was in his office chatting with someone, and another guy in another office was just doing a lot of nothing.
After that, I figured they must not want to sell tractors too bad, so I left.
Ill check out Mutton, and another dealer just East of me.
 
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Just to revive an old thread, lol, Ive decided that I like Green too much to look at the others. Their side by side pedals are nicer to me than the others.
Was quoted a good price on the 2025 and 2032 from the local dealer, and in the spirit of getting the one that fits the needs after the hard stuff is done, the 2025 seems to be getting the nod.

Oddly enough, when sitting on them, the 2025 felt a bit better than the 2032. It felt a bit smaller, but the steering wheel seemed to be where Id want it, while on the 2032 it seemed a bit low to me. Sort of felt like I was reaching down to it. Dont know if there is a seat height adjustment or not, didnt look while I was there.

I figure once I decide which one Im after, Ill check other dealers for the best price, Muttons included, as they arent that far, and do have great pricing, though my local dealer did say if I found it cheaper elsewhere, they would do what they could to match or beat it, which was nice.
 
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Must have been a 2016.

Ive got some running to do tomorrow, maybe Ill check with them and see. If thats the case, Id assume their quote was on the 2016 as well.
 
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Discussion starter · #29 ·
2032 I sat on was a 2016. No tilt wheel.


Stablenickers, Ive been into the smaller Deeres for quite some time, and know that disease all too well!
But, knowing it as I do, I also know what my limitations are, so thats why Im looking at what I am. Id love a 3 series, but too big to get where i need to get. If it werent for the terrain, the 1 series would almost work, but those little tires dont fare well in the woods, and I know, because two of my little ones have the same size....they love finding holes! Darn groundhogs. Bigger tires is a must, and with size constraints, that leaves the 2 series.
Now, if I had my druthers, Id get the 2032 in a minute, but finances may come into play with that one, as if Im going to do it, Id get new, which is a big jump in price for the 2017 version over the 2025, and I cant seem to find a decent used one with the hoe, but could buy the backhoe separately, so theres all that to consider too.

Oh well, at this rate, it will be another year before I have one, and at that point, the 2025 will probably be updated!

BTW, everything Ive looked at from other dealers (Kubota, Kioti) was in the 25hp range. They will all do what I need it to do...so I guess ive mostly made up my mind on it, unless some smoking deal shows up on a higher hp tractor.
 
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Reviving a long dead thread....

Well, Im finally ready to pull the trigger on one of these.
After all the considerations, Ive decided that the new 2025R is what Im after. Not having anything around vs having that 955 can change perspective quite a bit, lol. At this point, Id take a Buford Bucket for the 318!

Anyway, while Id love something bigger, right now, the 2025R would be perfect for my intended use, which has become mostly toting logs to the burn pile, and other loader work, and playing with the hoe on some small stumps, trenches, etc.

Anyway, the reason Im reviving is this.
Ive contacted two very large dealers here in Indiana and have gotten odd quotes.
Dealer A says:
1025R, 120R loader and 260B backhoe, $19830 + tax
2025R, 120R loader and 260B backhoe, $24202 + tax
difference of $4372

Dealer B says:
1025R, 120R loader and 260B backhoe, $20599 + tax
2025R, 120R loader and 260B backhoe, $23399 + tax
difference of $2800

Deeres own site says the difference between both should be $2500 with both set up the same, as quoted above.
I guess I need to call both to see whats going on, and why such a large difference, as Id think if Deere is $2500 difference, the actual difference would be less, or at least not more than that. I dont necessarily mind the $2500 difference, but I dont see the 2025R as a $4300 upgrade.

Im not sure if its ok to share pricing and dealer names, so Im not, but my issue is, I dont know if these are just standard prices, good prices, bad prices, etc. Compared to Deeres list, they look good....but I know some of you guys manage outstanding deals, and I dont want to miss anything if theres money to be saved.
 
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