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Oversized/Unmilled PTO Splines - need advice

2.6K views 26 replies 13 participants last post by  ironpony  
#1 ·
Hello, I picked up a County Line 60" tiller for my JD tractor. Upon getting it home I realized 2 things, 1) this thing has been sitting for a while, likely made in 2021 or 2022 and 2) the splines on the implement stub are too big. Apparently this was an issue with pandemic era King Kutter and County Line implements.
I took it back to TSC to exchange it where I confirmed the PTO shaft will fit on any other tiller they had but not my unit. Before exchanging it the manager offered me a deal, keep the defective unit and she would refund over half of the purchase price. My inner cheap skate came out and I took the deal.
Now I have an oversized stub. I am looking for advice on how to mill it down in place, or how to remove it so I can take it in to a machine shop to perform the work. I ordered a set of digital calipers to help me measure how off it is and they should be here today.

Anyone have experience with this or have some advice for me? I am open to any solutions. Thanks
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#2 ·
Based upon what I see in the machine shop everyday where I am the Director of Quality Control, specialized equipment needs to be used to properly cut external splines. The shaft will have to be removed from the case and taken to a shop who has a gear hobbing machine or a CNC mill. I also see a problem with the center in the end of the shaft. It looks deformed like it has seen some rough treatment. That MAY be a problem if the part is located between centers to perform the work.

Don't take this the wrong way but I hope the original purchase price was expensive - only because that over half you got back may not cover the needed machining.

Also, digital calipers are handy for getting "in the ballpark" measurements, but one really needs a quality set of micrometers.
 
#4 ·
You may have taken the wrong deal. BUT, I would not spend the time/money milling down that shaft unless I had a proper mill...

I would simply get a new shaft and shaft seal from the manufacturer. Don't know how it's assembled, but you probably need split ring pliers and maybe a bearing puller. Do you have the parts diagram?
 
#10 ·
There are actually several different spline / shaft size standards out there, that all looks similar.
I am curious if the wrong shaft was installed in your unit, but is actually compliant with one of the other standards.

there are adapters out there for this.... here is one example... but you can get M-M, M-F, in both directions... small-->large, or large-->small....
Or you can get a yoke-end for the PTO shaft you have and swap that out, for like $100 or something.... to match the shaft-end on the Tiller

Measure your shaft... is it one of the larger or smaller standards?... or is it a quality control issue, where it's supposed to be size X, but just outside of tolerance by a few thou.


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#12 ·
There are actually several different spline / shaft size standards out there, that all looks similar.
I am curious if the wrong shaft was installed in your unit, but is actually compliant with one of the other standards.

there are adapters out there for this.... here is one example... but you can get M-M, M-F, in both directions... small-->large, or large-->small....
Or you can get a yoke-end for the PTO shaft you have and swap that out, for like $100 or something.... to match the shaft-end on the Tiller

Measure your shaft... is it one of the larger or smaller standards?... or is it a quality control issue, where it's supposed to be size X, but just outside of tolerance by a few thou.
Thank you so much for that diagram! That is exactly what I needed. The implement stub and PTO shaft are all supposed to be 1 3/8" 6 spline, the shaft is but the stub on the implement is not. Instead of 1.375"/34.95mm they are measuring 1.382"/35.1mm so it looks like a quality control issue!
 
#11 ·
Come to think of it the driveshaft that came with my tiller wouldn't go on the PTO on my tractor. I had to file burrs out of the spline on it.

If it's off a few thousandths I would probably polish it with a flap disc on a grinder.
 
#13 ·
Thanks for all the advice and criticism, I always welcome both. That's how we learn.

The tiller new was $2209.99. The manager returned it and then sold it to me for $1000.00. My refund with tax was $1282.59 back.

I got the calipers and they are likely not the most accurate, and neither are my hands, but after measuring a dozen times on my tractor's PTO stub and the implements stub there is a difference. 1.375" on my JD, and 1.382" on the tiller.

I am going to try to file with a hand file or maybe a die grinder. If I ruin it I will just pick up the replacement gearbox that Bubba18655 posted.
 
#14 ·
Assuming the groove depths are correct a polish swipe on each raised spline with a flap wheel will probably bring it to spec. As is often said "it ain't no rocket ship".

Good deal you got.
 
#15 ·
Assuming the groove depths are correct a polish swipe on each raised spline with a flap wheel will probably bring it to spec. As is often said "it ain't no rocket ship".

Good deal you got.
exactly!

in fact, in europe, the 1-3/8shaft is called out as at 35mm. But the .1mm extra may be what you are fighting

you can also caliper measure the valleys in the splined shaft. See if the are to-spec. 29.65-29.76mm
and also you can measure the spline-ridge width.

In any case, this is probably a simple fix. I'd do it for a $1000 in my pocket!!!
 
#18 · (Edited)
While you are at it make sure all the mount bolts are tight.

Take the slip clutch completely apart and clean and adjust it. Make sure the provided bolts are long enough for proper adjustment. I had to replace the bolts on my slip clutch with some a 1/4" longer.

Make sure the driveshaft length is correct. If you aren't using a quick hitch it may need some cut off.

Check the gearbox oil levels. I found a 6 inch ruler was perfect to stick the top gearbox on mine. The manual said to have it half full of oil which would be 3 inches.

Your results may vary.
 
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#20 ·
Could you try opening the gap on the pto shaft?
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