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Traded both of my 5115Ms and my 4066R for a pair of 5125Rs

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#1 ·
Any 5R owners out there have any advise or tips on what options to look for or options you wish you had bought or wish you had not bought?

Also would love some info on how the Command quad 16 and or Command quad 8 works in the real world uses.
I found this video yesterday, seems pretty slick, I think I would really enjoy that auto clutch feature.

I am trying to determine how this auto clutch command quad trans would be compared to operating my Hydro trans in my 4R.
In terms of functional use with loader work and maneuvering in tight spaces that sort of thing.

The tractor I am looking at is a 350 hour 2018 model.

Was there any major changes in more recent years that I should consider spending the extra bucks to go with a new one or newer model year?

Here the specs of the 2018 5125R I am looking at.
2018 John Deere 5125R with 540R MSL 3F loader. 16/16 CommandQuad transmission 40K, Premium Cab with CommandArm, Premium cloth air suspension seat, instructional seat, telescoping RH/LH mirrors, corner post exhaust, PFC hydraulic system, (3)- EH rear SCV's, (3)- mid EH SCV's, 3-speed PTO 540/540E/1000, remote hydraulic fender controls, telescoping draft links with ball ends, RH/LH stabilizer bars, 460/85R30 rear Firestone tires, 320/85R24 front Firestone tires, MFWD w/o suspension, leather wrapped steering wheel, mechanical cab suspension, Cold Weather Package, LED upgrade package, Loader Ready package with 3-SCV's. Just in!


  • LOADER
    Yes
  • OPTIONS
    Loader Ready
  • 16F/16R CommandQuad Manual (40k)
  • Premium Panorama Roof Cab with Command Arm (Requires PFC hydraulics and EH SCVs)
  • Premium Cloth Air Suspension Seat
  • Instructional Seat with Seatbelt
  • Mirror Telescopic LH and RH
  • Deluxe Corner Post Exhaust
  • PFC Hydraulic System with 117 l/min (30.9 gpm) hydraulic pump
  • 3 Proportional EH Deluxe Stackable Rear SCVs
  • 3 Deluxe Mid EH SCV with Electronic Joystick Control
  • Three Speed PTO - 540/540E/1000
  • Electrohydraulic (EH) with remote LH fender control
  • Telescoping Draft Links with Ball Ends - Category 2
  • LH Only Adjustable Lift Links
  • Mechanical Center Link with Ball Ends - Category 2
  • LH and RH Stabilizer Bar
  • 18.4R30 (460/85R30) R1W (Firestone)
  • No Rear Tire Brand Preference
  • MFWD Front Axle without Suspension
  • 12.4R24 (320/85R24) R1W (Firestone)
  • No Front Tire Brand Preference
  • Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel
  • Mechanical Cab Suspension
  • Cold Weather Package
  • FULL LED Package
  • Loader ready package - 3 function Electrical Midstack SCVs
  • 540R Front End Loader
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#2 ·
Go for it. That is truly a beautiful machine. Would it be an option to keep the 4066R and get rid of one or both of the 5115M's? I do understand wanting to keep two 5 series machines for what you are using them for, but I sure wouldn't want to get rid of the 4066R, especially the way you have yours set up. I know there's a member on here from Europe or Australia with a smaller 5R I believe. I'll try to find his @ and tag him.
 
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The 4066R is really tough call, I have put a lot into making it as nice as I possibly can. However that is why I am only interested in doing this if that command quad auto clutch works at least similar in the real world usages to the hydro trans on the 4R.

The other 5M is typically setup to where it gets a lot of use and only the 5 series has the reach and lift capacity I really like. The 4 is not bad, I like my 4 better then my 3046R, but the belly mower I have on the 3046R makes it more valuable or flexible for covering more of my needs then the 4R.

This 5R looks to have a power global loader setup that I could see being really nice to have.
Changing loader implements without even getting out of the cab would be cool too. Only I have more JDQA loader implements then global ones. LOL
 
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@Jon K from Australia is who I was thinking of. He has a 5100R. Hopefully he'll stop by here and give some input.
 
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I just found the listing for that 5125R on MachineryPete.com. Looking at the pictures, it appears to be in immaculate condition. Looks like the bucket has hardly ever been used, very little wear on the ends of the 3pt arms, looks like it did a little bit of 3pt work but mostly drawbar work. You'd be hard pressed to find another 5 year old 375 hour machine that clean. After looking through the pictures at some specific high-wear areas, that tractor is brand new in my book. Our 4052M is 4 years old and just shy of 400 hours and it's in much "worse" condition than that tractor, but we've worked it pretty hard. Do you know the history of that 5125R? Looks to me like it was always shedded and someone just used it to rake hay or something easy like that.
 
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I texted my dealer the stock number and some info on my trades. I bought the 5115M from them.
I am waiting on a call back to ask some questions like that.
I am planning to ask:
About its history?
About some of the options?
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I see 3rd function on the loader listed, but is that being tied up with that power global connection and would I need a 4th to run my grapple?

Does it have LSS feature on the loader, and if not, can it be added.
The rear suspension pictured on the tractor is right where my LSS is located on my 5115M?

Wanted to know more about the command arm option and how that effects the seat swivel. Have a bit of neck problem, Cant really turn my head all the way back like I could when I was younger, need that seat to swivel as much as possible.

Want to know more about that Command 16/16 trans need to make sure it has that auto clutch feature seen in that video I posted earlier.

I know I saw power mirrors on the website a wile back, is that something that can be added to this 2018 model?
Would love to have power mirrors.
 
#8 ·
Thanks mo1.

My dealer called, and we are working on trying to put a deal together.

I did learn that was not a power global connection device, like I thought it was,
that is actually the 3rd function SCVS. Just a totally different setup them what I have on my 5Ms.

There is another piece to that scvs 3rd function port, it locks into that piece via that lever.
Ie. say a grapples hydraulic lines would plug into that other piece/pod.
Pretty much same thing as the loader’s single point connector, only that one is for loader implements needing 3rd function power like a grapple would.

I do have a global to JDQA adapter. I just thought if that was a powered global connection of some sort , that my adapter would pretty much defeat the purpose of what I thought that was.
Since I was mistaken about what that was, I am good to go. No big deal.

The global hookup works same as my 5Ms.

I know what you mean mo1, one of my 5M loaders global linkage is bent or something is bound up in it, it’s a bear to get locked in the open position.
The other 5M loader’s global linkage works great, nice and easy.
The one I am thinking of trading off is the one thats alway been a bear to swap loader attachments on. lol
It was that way when they sold it to me, so I don’t really feel bad about it.lol
 
#9 · (Edited)
Yep, Ive got one.

Ive got the 5100R with loaded. I got the cab suspension, air seat, loader suspension, full electronic loader controls & LED light pack. I also got the largest tyres I could to minimise ground pressure. I absolutely love everything about it, apart from 1 thing.

The 1 thing that annoys me is that the sun screen over the glass roof cant be locked open - Every now and again when you go down a hill, it shoots forward and make you jump when the plastic hits the end stops. Small problem, but an oversight that I believe is fixed on the 6 & 7 series.

I am happy with the power for what I do, have never needed more than the 100hp plus the extra it gives now and again when road driving.

I bought it with the 16 forward gears across 4 ranges, rather than the 32 gears. With hind-sight, I wished Id bought the 32gears. For the simple reason than when I use my 3m flail mower I always seem to be either in B4 or C1. The transition between B & C ranges is not instant, as I see it, the 32 gears would move that range shift out of my way!

Bendy front axle would be nice, but I cant say Ive missed not having it.

If you have any other questions, feel free to ask and I'll tell you what I can.

Jon
 
#10 ·
Great info. Thank you.
I operate my 5M machines pretty much in a and b range occasionally c range.
One of my 5Ms has 32F trans I do like it, but I think I can live with auto clutch power shift 16/16 and get what I am needing. I think?

Do you have the command arm seat?
If so, how do like it? Does it swivel more then the standard seat configurations? Looks like it would.
Not sure if I would like not having the rear hydraulics on switches vs the levers. Probably something just need to get use to. Which would be worth it, if the seat swivels around more then my 5M seat does.
 
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I was going to do a build and price on an identical spec 2023, just to see what a new one cost, and to see what options there might be availble that I might want to have dealer installed.
Looks like the 5R is now gone from the lineup for 2023.
‘There were some 2022 models on machine finder, but not any 2023 5Rs in any HP.
Looks for 2023 Deere is back to offering only the 5E and 5M only In 5 series. ????
Anyone aware of why the 5R appears to have been canceled.
 
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I follow a guy on YouTube name is Stefeno Narducci, he owns Northern Snow in Canada. He has a video of the 5R’s and said something about Deere not making them anymore.

You might want to look him up on YouTube and see what he has to say about the 5R’s.

I have a 5105m which is similar to your 5115m’s. My tractor is excellent for me and I have no need for any of the emissions ones.

Good luck with your search, if I needed a newer one those 5125R are a bad looking unit!
 
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I noticed the 6R was sort of renamed in 2023. Was 6110R now 6R 110 or something like that. Has a 6R on the side of the hood, like the larger 7,8,9R machines have gone to. So I suppose it could be on a hiatus getting revamped.
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‘The 5M was recently given some of the 5Rs options.

I swore power mirrors was an option on the 5R, however it seems looking through parts diagrams it’s a 6R+ feature. Not seeing them anywhere for the 5R. Not a deal breaker, just an option I would love to have.

So far looking like LSS is the only option I will be looking to add to the 5R that I am looking at.
My Nokian tires and rims will get moved to the 5R, as well as , provided they fit, the 6 wheel weights off the 4066R.
I will keep my i-match hitches, and power top links as well. I will go ahead and get the rear Nokians loaded. I had held off doing that since it mostly just mowed on the 5M. Doing the work of the 2 current tractors, it will need more rear ballast.
 
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Looks like LSS can be added for $2340 parts and labor.
I did verify that for that price that it is the version that has an in cab switch to turn it on and off.
Not that I ever have had any need to turn it off on my other tractors, but in case I wanted to might as well have that.

Power mirrors seem to be off the table at least for now.
The dealer is just not sure if the 6R mirrors would fit, and what they would get into trying to wire them in.

Currently waiting on trade evaluations to come back.
Then I am sure the wheeling and dealing on this deal will really begin. lol
 
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Latest update:
Got the deal made for the 2018 5125R , trading in my 2019 4066R, and 5115M.
Pretty much went as planned for an even swap. I am paying to add the LSS and swap a bunch of stuff around.

The 5125R is getting the Nokian tires and rims off the 5115M
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As well as the power top link and I match will get moved over to the 5125R.

The 4066R will be donating the rear wheel weights to the 5125R.
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Also going to look into rather my 5115M interior trim panels would work to delete if that jump seat in the 5125R

I had deleted the jump seats in both my 5115Ms, hate those things.
 
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Kenny if you see this post, I think I could use your hydraulics expertise an maybe some sort of an adapter if you can hook me up.
Not really sure what all I need to tie this 3rd function single point connector, to work all my loader implements.

This is what is shown out on the loader as i am told is the single point 3rd function hookup.
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Kenny if you see this post, I think I could use you hydraulics expertise an maybe some sort of an adapter if you can hook me up.
Not really sure what all I need to tie this 3rd function single point connector, work all my loader implements.

This is what is shown out on the loader as i am told is the single point 3rd function hookup.
We can probably "hook" you up...
Yes that is one half of the connector for the 3rd function.
Once you get it in hand, send me some detailed pictures.
 
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Thanks mo1, sounds very plausible.
It will be interesting to see if it returns with updates or if it’s truely been canceled all together.

‘I looked at the possibilities of the 120 Hp 6110R 6R, but the price really gets up there with those.
Also, I am not sure 6 series has the more compact maneuverability this 5R has.

Still seems a little odd a machine introduced in 2017 is already gone, or even gone for a redesign or relaunch.

The newest 5M does now have some of the R features like power quad transmissions in the 90hp+.

My hope is this new to me 2018 5R can really bridge or merge the capabilities of the two I am trading for it.

There is also talks of a new 3&4R series machines coming to market in next year or two. That could be pretty interesting as well.
 
#24 ·
The small frame 6 series machines like the 6R 110 are noticeably larger than the 5 series machines, which is why the people here running round balers pick a 6120M over a 5125R for roughly the same price. The extra size and weight gives noticeably more authority to running a heavier load like a silage baler. The smaller 6 cylinder blue machine I've driven that's pretty close in size and capabilities to a medium frame 6 series (e.g. 6155M) is far less maneuverable than the several 5 series machines I've run, probably about the difference between your 4R and your 5M if they are set up similarly (e.g. both cabbed and with MFWD.)
 
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I can tell you more in a couple weeks. Right now, I am going off what I have seen in YouTube videos from owners as well as Deere videos. With regards to the Trans, the video I linked was still the best I have found showing how it works.

The power shift , the auto clutch and. the BCD multi-range mode were the main highlights that were enlightening features for me. We had power shift 4650, 4755 Deere’s back in the 80 and 90s on the farm, but I had never seen an auto clutch demonstrated till that owner review video I ran across. Plus the power reverser was mentioned can be thumb activated to change direction with the joystick. Having worked with my 5Ms for the past couple years, I recognized where those features should really speed up loader work. Making it, I think pretty similar in speed to my 4066R e-hydro trans machine.

That frame integrated oil pan, for the shortest possible wheelbase, which was how they engineered the 5R to have super tight 12ft turning radius. Another point of interest for me looking to merge one of my 5Ms and my 4R into one machine.
 
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Congratulations! Quite a nice step up. The 5R team in Augusta REALLY like(d) the 5R team based on the discussions they shared. I'm guessing it was just a bit too expensive/extravagant for most customers in that HP range. In other words, PERFECT for you!! :)
Thanks Tim.
So do think the 5R is gone for good or do think it's coming back with some updates and the 5R 90,110,125 type name like the new 6Rs.
I did see a video mentioning the 5M was now available with the corner post instrument cluster from the 5R and 6R series and so on up the scale.
So, I am thinking Deere maybe trying to bridge that gap with making most of the discontinued 5R features available to order on the 5M, only I have not seen any mention of the command arm on the 5M, which I think I am really going to enjoy having the command arm, I have some neck issues, and can't crane my neck around to see behind me worth a darn anymore, so the added swivel with the command arm should be really nice for my needs. I hope it is anyway.

One feature that I am not sure about is rather the new 5M has, that super tight turning radius the 5R was marketed with, where they incorporated the oil pan into the frame to get that super tight wheelbase and turning radius.
 
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Since the Deere website has seemed to have wiped out a lot of the details and brochure type info on the 5125R, I was doing some research and found some good info that I would like to plug into this thread mostly for future reference for myself, but also just in case anyone else is interested in learning more about the 5Rs.
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#37 ·
I've been looking at the 5R's since they came on the market. As a small hay farmer and horse owner, the 5R's had/have most of the features that I wished for with either my 5115M tractor or the 5075E that I just bought last year.
Powershift transmission, pressure-flow hydraulics, electro-hydraulic SCV's and loader SCV's, panorama cab, bluetooth electronics.... every bell and whistle!
What I did not appreciate was the cost! To a lesser extent, I did not like the short wheelbase. IMO, the reason that Deere offered the 5R with the cab suspension as well as the front drive suspension (ILS) is to counter the rough ride that is the downside of the short wheelbase. I can appreciate the engineering behind shortening the 5M by 4 inches to arrive at the 5R dimension. Incredible turning radius!
I have small, irregular hayfields. And, the corral area that keeps our horses happy is approx. 85ft x 110ft. I clean snow out of that corral ALL winter long with the 5115M! And, it takes some ACTIVE driving to keep from wrecking the furniture while plowing and hauling manure-snow off to the compost pile.
That said, the 5R has nearly the same wheelbase as my 2017 5075E. And, mowing and baling hay any faster than about 4 mph will get you a sore back from all the bucking and jumping across my small acre hay fields!
I have driven the older, JD 6000 Premium series tractors. For a small hay operation, those tractors with a 94-95 inch wheelbase were the cat's jammies - IMO.
Just happens, that's the same wheelbase that the yr2020+ 6M 110-120hp tractors have. The 6110M-120M are designed with a sloped hood for improved loader visibility as well.
Of course, those 6M's are also right in the same price range as the 5R's.
IMO-that is where JD messed up with positioning the 5R's in the marketplace. Head to head, many producers are gonna opt to the heavier, longer wheelbase, 6M.
My apologies for the long post. AKfish
 
#38 ·
Thanks for the info.
I did try and spec and price a new 6M. I was coming in with a high spec 6M hitting close to $200K.
New 5R 2022 listings I had found were 135-155, I am sure you could have pushed a 5R up as high as $170K.
Now what I had seen on the used side,I noticed the gap between them did seem y]to get quite a bit closer.
Were you thinking new or used in comparison. Since the 5R was canceled for 2023, I was not able to compare 100% apples to apples, with the build and price tool.
 
#39 ·
The 5R made it to my dealer yesterday, finally got yo see it in person today. Got to set in it. Start it, mess with the controls . We made a fresh list of changes and upgrades for it. A few things to look into next week.

Really looking forward to getting her home and really tying it out.

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Kenny in this pic group are the close up pics of that single point loader 3rd function connection point that I am wanting to get some sort of universal adapter for.
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