I think it would look cool but.....

 

It is cool and all but I'm still struggling with the WHY.

Me to also. I watched it this morning and first thing I thought is cool but why

 

Title says Good Works Tractors.

Post says Miller Tire.

No pics or links.

Is there a connection there somewhere?

 

1025R Duals

 

I don’t think the 60” mmm would work with duels. If it would I could see duels being helpful for mowing wet areas .

 

Try this link

23x 8.50-12 Dual Wheel Kit with 10" Bolts

Dual Wheel Spacer Kit for 12" Garden Tractor Tires for sale online. B1258-10

www.millertire.com

 

That's pretty awesome....

 

It is cool and all but I'm still struggling with the WHY.

 

I think it would look cool but.....

I think it looks cool, too, but I think the adapter design is crap. On all large machines that routinely use duals, the outside tire is attached directly to the axle, instead of the wheel next to it. This puts vertical loads and shear forces on each wheel, transferred to the axle, rather than the outside wheel transferring its forces to the inside wheel, and then to the relatively short lug nuts. A better and stronger way of doing it would be to make a hub extension. Mount the inside wheels, then use longer lugs to bolt the extension and inner wheel to the main hub, then mount the outside wheel to the extended hub. Loads on the outside wheel go straight to the axle instead of through the inside wheel first. It would be more expensive, but put less stress on the assembly. And what about driveline load; obviously the doubled footprint will add tractive force, although it will also increase flotation, another reason to load the tires if you go this route. With that much traction available, can the transmission handle it, or will you be up against the PRV in high-load situations, like loader digging work, or pulling a heavy implement?
The kit he used also screws up the ability to mount wheel weights, since those bolts use the same holes you bolt the center weights to.

Duals sure will help on hillsides, I bet. You would probably start sliding sideways long before you rolled over. In another video this guy made, where he talks about mounting duals, he shows the 1025R with dual fronts as well as rears, just has the tire/wheels resting beside the mounted ones. Maybe Deere should make an articulated 1-Series, a "mini 9620"

 

I think it looks cool, too, but I think the adapter design is crap. On all large machines that routinely use duals, the outside tire is attached directly to the axle, instead of the wheel next to it. This puts vertical loads and shear forces on each wheel, transferred to the axle, rather than the outside wheel transferring its forces to the inside wheel, and then to the relatively short lug nuts. A better and stronger way of doing it would be to make a hub extension. Mount the inside wheels, then use longer lugs to bolt the extension and inner wheel to the main hub, then mount the outside wheel to the extended hub. Loads on the outside wheel go straight to the axle instead of through the inside wheel first. It would be more expensive, but put less stress on the assembly. And what about driveline load; obviously the doubled footprint will add tractive force, although it will also increase flotation, another reason to load the tires if you go this route. With that much traction available, can the transmission handle it, or will you be up against the PRV in high-load situations, like loader digging work, or pulling a heavy implement?
The kit he used also screws up the ability to mount wheel weights, since those bolts use the same holes you bolt the center weights to.

Duals sure will help on hillsides, I bet. You would probably start sliding sideways long before you rolled over. In another video this guy made, where he talks about mounting duals, he shows the 1025R with dual fronts as well as rears, just has the tire/wheels resting beside the mounted ones. Maybe Deere should make an articulated 1-Series, a "mini 9620"

Actually, it used to be fairly common to see tractors with clamp on dual wheels. A spacer ring went between the rims and clamps held the two together. They are still available in the marketplace but less common with 4 wd tractors, IF and VF tires and especially with the size of tires on many large tractors now.

Typically the clamp on user would use duals for some functions and then take them off when not needed. The inside tires may have been loaded but the outside tires were not loaded. If the clamps were properly adjusted, the system works fine although any dual wheel set up adds some stress to the drive line. Better traction and a wider wheel base adds some stress- no way around it.

Treefarmer

 

Why?.. if it would work with my 54 deck...I'd say mowing my front yard any time before june. I buried my 318 more times than I care to say.
If I was going to do duals, I'd rather use something like the ventrac adapters. Dunno if they'd work for us.

 

Why?.. if it would work with my 54 deck...I'd say mowing my front yard any time before june. I buried my 318 more times than I care to say.
If I was going to do duals, I'd rather use something like the ventrac adapters. Dunno if they'd work for us.

The problem is that if your yard is THAT wet, chances are you are going to wreck the lawn by driving through it even with dualies. Sometimes ya just gotta wait.

 

Like others said its probably good for hillsides but I would be worried about breaking an axel or breaking the trans case (I’d be less worried if it were cast iron like it should be in the first place). Plus all the increased wear on all the components.

$63 is cheap enough tho that if you needed it for a one time task its not going to break the bank. Or see if duals will solve your problem and then buy/build a proper hub mounted dual wheel kit.

As a side note have you guys been able to get your 102x tractor to go into bypass when the tires hooked? I always seem to break traction before the hydro goes into bypass. I have R4’s by the way. Maybe the guys with loaded AG tires with wheel weights are getting enough traction to put the hydro into bypass easily? Im wondering if the duals will be usefull if all that traction just causes the hydro to “slip”.

 

As a side note have you guys been able to get your 102x tractor to go into bypass when the tires hooked?

In high range yes, in low range not yet...and hope never to experience that.

 

axle breaker 2,0

 

Indeed!

But I think it would be OK on planar, or very near planar surfaces, including steep slopes that are also planar. The dually arrangement would make for excellent stability when using the loader on a side-slope, or even with ground engaging attachments.

One thing that I can think of that might cause damage to the 1025R/1023E tractor is trying to cross a ditch/gully at a diagonal, thereby putting the entire weight of the tractor only on the two outer tires. ...and the dually tires are definitely going to tear up any turf if any kind of sharp turning is needed.

 

I would worry about WAY to much stress on the transaxle. Adding another set of the same size tires to the rear wasn't in the engineering of the machine and in the rear end/axle. I certainly wouldn't take the risk. I can imagine those outer tires will throw some mud, dirt, rocks etc at you also!

 

It's sort of like the air ride suspension popular on the mid 60's Impala's so you can make the front of their cars BOUNCE real high. If their goal is to win the bouncing high trophy, then perhaps its worth the effort to them. But as far as a "practical solution", its a bit of a head scratcher.



If the conditions are bad enough to require rear duals on a SCUT, perhaps its best to just wait or use a different machine.

Bottom line, you won't be seeing dual rear wheels on my 1025r anytime soon......or likely later, either.

 

One thing that I can think of that might cause damage to the 1025R/1023E tractor is trying to cross a ditch/gully at a diagonal, thereby putting the entire weight of the tractor only on the two outer tires. ...and the dually tires are definitely going to tear up any turf if any kind of sharp turning is needed.

I would under inflate the outer tires for sure, going into a dip and carrying the whole tractor on the outside wheel is the first thing I thought of.

 

Regardless of method of attachment, when the outside tire carries weight it will put a great deal more (bending) stress on the axle than it was designed for. It would be like putting on 12" wheel spacers - a terrible idea that should only be done by someone that fully understands how it limits the usefulness of their machine. Even on perfectly flat ground the bending moment on the axle will be significantly increased.

While I am sure that many people could get away with this modification, they will be using up a great deal of the safety factor that is put into the design of the axles.

 

I wonder what Deere will do when hit with warranty repair claims from damage done by a dual tire setup, whatever the damage might be.

 

Chances are, when the tractor is presented for warranty repairs, the dual wheels will be "elsewhere"............and all evidence of them removed from the tractor.

 

Sounds like you need tracks.

 

I LOVE things with tracks....
Tanks, Dozers, Excavators, ATVs, RTVs, Trucks, Robots, Snowmobiles... there is nothing with tracks on it that I don't like or want one or more of...
Would be tough with a mower.. unless the deck was front mounted... but.. I'd want one of those too...

 

Might be cheaper to put an aftermarket pair on an existing machine...

 

Starting at 0:32 ... looks like my front lawn in the spring...

 

lots of things have been tried and some worked

 

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Looks like this one didn't work out so great.

 

video from Goodworks tractors.

 

He has been working it, the video of it out in the woods shows how stable it is.

I have found folks warn me about lots of stuff that has never happened....Might run that thing for 1000 hours and never have an issue. Glad he is testing tho and not me.

One thing for sure it would be "Even Steven" which hits the garage more often the dualies or the raised ROP's LOL

 

The setup looks cool but has no practical application. TTWT shows you the machine that uses this type equipment and is multiveristile and is no homeowner or ranchowner equipment. It is a commercial machine. This type equipment is operated by commercial qualified individuals.

 

Not impressed. Advertising? As Uncle Si says

Not to mention dude posts a video bitching about a brand new truck.